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  Reclaiming a kingdom hall.

  by vomit in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  it seems that some of you live in areas with a lot of people, that left.

  if there were enough of you that left and incontact with eachother.

  would it be possible to reclaim a hall.

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  Google Bonham Texas Kingdom Hall, or just read here:

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/12/91790/1.ashx

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  don't any of you get afraid??

  by nowisee in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  all of the stuff re wts.

  yet with all of this stuff happening in the mideast....with al gore's "an inconvenient truth" and scientists backing him up...with nkorea....with "christian" rhetoric....with pornography taking over the minds of our men.....bird flu....debt up to the eyeballs....complacency....pacs.....enron...corruption...serial killers in phoenix.....shrinking dollar....economy being sold to overseas.....etc.

  can anyone reassure me?

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  In the words of Billy Joel:

  Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnny Ray
  South Pacific, Walter Winchell, Joe DiMaggio
  
  Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Studebaker, Television
  North Korea, South Korea, Marilyn Monroe
  
  Rosenbergs, H Bomb, Sugar Ray, Panmunjom
  Brando, The King And I, and The Catcher In The Rye
  
  Eisenhower, Vaccine, England's got a new queen
  Maciano, Liberace, Santayana goodbye
  
  We didn't start the fire
  It was always burning
  Since the world's been turning
  We didn't start the fire
  No we didn't light it
  But we tried to fight it
  
  Joseph Stalin, Malenkov, Nasser and Prokofiev
  Rockefeller, Campanella, Communist Bloc
  
  Roy Cohn, Juan Peron, Toscanini, Dancron
  Dien Bien Phu Falls, Rock Around the Clock
  
  Einstein, James Dean, Brooklyn's got a winning team
  Davy Crockett, Peter Pan, Elvis Presley, Disneyland
  
  Bardot, Budapest, Alabama, Khrushchev
  Princess Grace, Peyton Place, Trouble in the Suez
  
  We didn't start the fire
  It was always burning
  Since the world's been turning
  We didn't start the fire
  No we didn't light it
  But we tried to fight it
  
  Little Rock, Pasternak, Mickey Mantle, Kerouac
  Sputnik, Chou En-Lai, Bridge On The River Kwai
  
  Lebanon, Charles de Gaulle, California baseball
  Starkwether, Homicide, Children of Thalidomide
  Buddy Holly, Ben Hur, Space Monkey, Mafia
  Hula Hoops, Castro, Edsel is a no-go
  
  U2, Syngman Rhee, payola and Kennedy
  Chubby Checker, Psycho, Belgians in the Congo
  
  We didn't start the fire
  It was always burning
  Since the world's been turning
  We didn't start the fire
  No we didn't light it
  But we tried to fight it
  
  Hemingway, Eichman, Stranger in a Strange Land
  Dylan, Berlin, Bay of Pigs invasion
  
  Lawrence of Arabia, British Beatlemania
  Ole Miss, John Glenn, Liston beats Patterson
  
  Pope Paul, Malcolm X, British Politician sex
  J.F.K. blown away, what else do I have to say
  
  We didn't start the fire
  It was always burning
  Since the world's been turning
  We didn't start the fire
  No we didn't light it
  But we tried to fight it
  
  Birth control, Ho Chi Minh, Richard Nixon back again
  Moonshot, Woodstock, Watergate, punk rock
  Begin, Reagan, Palestine, Terror on the airline
  Ayatollah's in Iran, Russians in Afghanistan
  
  Wheel of Fortune, Sally Ride, heavy metal, suicide
  Foreign debts, homeless Vets, AIDS, Crack, Bernie Goetz
  Hypodermics on the shores, China's under martial law
  Rock and Roller cola wars, I can't take it anymore
  
  We didn't start the fire
  It was always burning
  Since the world's been turning
  We didn't start the fire
  No we didn't light it
  But we tried to fight it

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  Stargate SG-1 and JW's...

  by Justice-One in

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  2. friends

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  has anyone but me noticed that the new bad guys (the ori) in stargate sg-1 have a whole lot in common with the jw's?

  hallowed are the ori

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  Well I found out that others too expected them to be shown again sometime during the following week, and like me were disappointed to not find them on the schedule. Oh well, I found a torrent, downloaded the episoede. The Internet is wonderful!

  But no Battlestar Galactica until October!?!?!?!? FRAK!!!!!

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  Stargate SG-1 and JW's...

  by Justice-One in

  1. jw
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  has anyone but me noticed that the new bad guys (the ori) in stargate sg-1 have a whole lot in common with the jw's?

  hallowed are the ori

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  And here I missed out Friday nite on the season premiere.

  Don't they usually run Stargate SG-1 and Atlantis again during the following week. Its not on tonight.

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  When a Loved One Leaves the Watchtower Society - Parody

  by Scully in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when a loved one leaves the watchtower society .

  (a rational re-write of the september 1, 2006 watchtower article "when a loved one leaves jehovah", by scully).

  (scans of the original article can be found here: re: wt desparate: aug 15 wt- in our next issue: when a loved one leaves jehovah) .

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  Brilliant!!!

  ROFLMAO!!!!!

  (And what is this Star Trek parody? link please???)

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  Napa Valley, CA Child Abuse Court Case Victories

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  napa wt child abuse case.

  two important court decisions, which came out of napa valley, ca, are now available for us to post on jwd.

  these significant rulings overturn objections regularly made by the watchtower in recent lawsuits and may serve as a precedent for future lawsuits.

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  Jourles, thanks for posting that little gem, very enlightening.

  Nice how the Watchtower can simply dictate to the congregations, "add this to your corporate charter"!

  However, it still does not demonstrate that the Halls are owned by the Society. Just the opposite, since then this whole letter would be moot. And although it indicates that the assets would go to the Society, this would only be after the "the winding up and dissolution" of the corporation.

  Incidentally, for those that don't know: This wording was added after some congregation in TX en masse left the WT, and took the Kingdom Hall (which the congregation paid for) with them.

  I have heard about that incident, but even in a case like that, I don't think the wording here would help the Society. They could dissolve the congregation, but if the entire "corporation" decides to break away, and the Hall is paid for, well, too bad for the Tower.

  No, their strategy to prevent this from happening again seems to be, keep the Kingdom Halls constantly mortgaged to the Society. Thats why perfectly good Halls are either sold and replaced with a new building, or subjected to expensive remodeling projects.

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  Napa Valley, CA Child Abuse Court Case Victories

  by AndersonsInfo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  napa wt child abuse case.

  two important court decisions, which came out of napa valley, ca, are now available for us to post on jwd.

  these significant rulings overturn objections regularly made by the watchtower in recent lawsuits and may serve as a precedent for future lawsuits.

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  the WT used to protect their assets (retaining HQ ownership of all kingdom halls),

  I'm still waiting for anyone to provide proof that the WT owns Kingdom Halls. Every Kingdom Hall I have ever been associated with has been owned by a local corporation. Thats why every year there is a "corporate meeting", usually following a Service Meeting.

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  what will they do?

  by bluebeads in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you all have been so helpful to me, much thanks to you guys.. due to the recent posts about df'ing and the like i was wondering what would happen to me.

  i'm 19 soon to be 20, i'm an unbaptized publisher but i want to fade and leave this crappola.

  my plan is to first finish school and move out and move on.

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  Well you've made it to age 19 and avoided getting dunked, that's a good thing. The best way to handle having a worldly boyfriend is to keep it on the down-low as much as possible. Hopefully he will realize you are not embarrassed by him and that its not because you dont want to be seen with him, its just that your family is in a wacky religion. I am sure there are dozens of people here who can easily explain it to him if he has a hard time understanding your situation.

  Elders do not have Super powers, the only way for them to find out you are dating or whatever is if you tell them. Well, or if someone else tells them. Loose lips sink ships. Even then, you are 19, you are not baptized, they have zero control over you.

  Let me repeat this: They have zero control over you.

  Unfortunately, they don't always realize this fact. But that's their problem, not yours.

  It sounds like your main concern is how your parents will react. I don't know your whole situation, but once you become financially independent and get out from under their roof you will have much more freedom and your fade can progress much more rapidly. I'm not saying you have to move out onto the street or with a boyfriend who may or may not be the right guy just this instant, but that should be your longterm goal. If you have to be a little secretive about your life and your personal affairs until that happens, well, call it theocratic warfare.

  Did I mention that as an adult who has never been baptized, the elders have zero control over you?

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  Reading 'apostate' sites? - Can you be disfellowshipped?

  by Zico in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i would like to make it aware to some friends that i have read some 'apostate' sites, so i can share my doubts with them.

  i'm hoping that they'll keep what i tell them to themselves, but what i was wondering is, if i did this could i risk getting disfellowshipped if my friends told the elders?

  all my family and friends are still very much a part of the organisation, and so i am not ready to be shunned yet.

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  Reading apostate literature is NOT a disfellowshipping offense.

  Technically this may be true. But as you noted, "your mileage may vary" and the fact of the matter is that if it becomes known that you are reading apostate literature, you can be about 95% certain you will be called in front of a judicial commitee, and DFing is a very real possibity barring very liberal and/or lazy elders or an exorbitant display of "what was I thinking, how very foolish of me to ever even glance at such evil evil material!!!" on your part.

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  Another JW email circulating...

  by Elsewhere in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i received this from someone who needs to be anonymous....this one will turn your stomach.

  it's supposedly from a sister in the brazil branch.

  perhaps so, but the timeline of the story and age of the individual weren't clear to me as i read it.

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  If I remember well, pope Bento XVI (aka Benedict) became pope at the end of April 2005. If Valdir had "much contact" with him then we must conclude that he knew him for let's say a month. Now we're at the end of May 2005. So according to the timeline in the story, Valdir came in contact with the JWs, became an unbaptized publisher doing 70 hours a month and expressed his desire to be baptized in July 2005.. all in a time span of about 45 days?

  The only way this works is if he knew and worked with Benedict back before he became Pope. But they should have made that more clear.

  And I agree with others, the whole thing smells slightly fishy, especially when he calls home and guess what, his familiy is all JW too!?!?!

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